Yeah... your ego is just a little off center...

ROFL...you are the biggest silly fanboi i have ever seen..magazine and paper racing is all you got! that is it! it is people like you who give honda a bad name

silly fanboi !! get it right your drive a stock 15.0 to low-15 second car that on a freak day could potentially run very high 14s stock. OK??? your SI will never see a 14.6 bone stock so stop making sh*t up! back in the day, the b18 integra type R used to run 14.7 - 14.8 bone stock with similar 195 HP and only 2700 lbs weight. i should believe an si can outrun a type R???

just because you saw a 15.0 cobalt ss. according to your paper racing, check all the tests of cobalt ss and they run low-14s in everyone of them including C &D where it killed the RSX type S both in straight line and on the slaloms.

let's see:

cobalt SS S/C'ed 205 whp 205 wtq weight 2900 lbs
civic si 175 - 180 whp and 130 wtq weight 2900 lbs

you are telling me it is a driver's race between these two cars??? that torque alone will murder you.

you are a tool. i have seen a cobalt ss running 14.3 bone stock. moreover, i have seen videos of rsx type s getting decimated completely both from a dig and roll by the cobalt SS supercharged..as well as running neck and neck with SRT-4 and WRX...

instead of blowing sm*ke out of your a**, you need to check your ego a bit and admit that your car is not as fast as you are trying to make it...

you can go and stroke your ego with like minded civic fanbois on your honda sites, but don't be coming here to try and come off as something that you are not.

ive seen civics run high 14s stock granted it was like 14.9 14.8...

and why are u getting so mad about it were not

but yet on the poll XRS still dominates.. Mswahahahha ah

the si is gonna win

it is a corolla forum...

Why don't you post where you are from striker and race a local XRS?

Killer_siller already is willingy to race any Corolla in midewest for a friendly race...

Why don't you go ahead and do the same?

Dude no reason to throw out insults, and get mad. I read an article on caradndriver.com today that put the Cobalt SS and Civic Si in the same class/group. Tell them they're wrong. (They may not be the best, but they are better than me)

Actually an si ran me "Bone Stock" with a 14.7, and it was not "freezing cold" out. Someone else on here has reported running high 14 times. It seems to be more common than a cold-front occurrence.

Numbers: ( I have the timeslip right here.If needs be I'll go buy batteries to take a pic with)

Civic Si:
r/t - .960
60' - 2.382
330 - 6.339
1/8 - 9.578
mph - 76.05
1/4 - 14.764
mph - 95.24

S/c Corolla:
r/t - .588
60' - 2.544
330 - 6.756
1/8 - 10.108
mph - 73.34
1/4 - 15.420 (not my best lol)
mph - 91.70


As far as the cobolt making 205whp, ehh I'd need to see some documentation. That is what is reported at the crank. For some reason I cannot believe that Chevy's numbers are THAT off. You're basically comparing the si's whp to the cobalt's crank. lol Not very good.

Like I said car and driver put them in the same class with one of the vw's too. Cannot remember.

I do think that the ms3 is pushing it a little though. lol

not trying to bag the XRS at all here, nor am I trying to say the si is a supercar, but I've been to the track several times seeing as its down the road. I've seen an xrs run and an si run. (The si and I actually ran 4 times in a row that night) Those were our best times of the night. Not a freak time, but the night best.

Take it for what you will..

I stand by my argument, a Cobalt SS or MS3 would destroy the new SI

i am not putting crank hp of cobalt s/c'ed. those are actually the consistent dyno numbers because it was heavily underrated by GM...if you don't believe me, go look up all the dynosheets on cobalt sites and see it dynos at 205 whp...

oh, you have rambled on a gazillion times about you getting slaughtered by an SI. well s*cks to be you, but don't base an entire car's performance on one interaction..there are plenty of variables such as, altitude, temperature, kind of tires etc. that are at play...i stand by my argument that 99% of the time an SI will run no better than 14.9 - 15.0 at best...just like an xrs will not run a 14.9 - 15.0 (although, i know someone from another board in montreal that claims his xrs ran a 14.9 bone stock).

since you are magazine racing, where exactly did you see the article of Civic SI vs Cobalt SS, could you put a link here? why don't we quickly look at the numbers they were putting on the track test?? shall we???

as far as I remember, there is an RSX type S and Cobalt SS in C &D (alongwith, WRX, SRT-4 and Ion Redline) where RSX type S with a 14.9 was the slowest of the group by more than half a second?? it is not about what car gets compared to which, the fact is that Cobalt SS one way or the other will stomp all over the SI because it puts out a lot more power and torque at roughly the same weight. end of story.

wow now ur insulting people on ur own forums...now go back to the topic of corolla and civic...=)

That's what I said on page 7 of this useless thread.

Like everyone else said: might as well settle it with a friendly race.

It's like debating what the meaning of life is..

You can call the Spec-V garbage, but it does low 15's to high 14's STOCK in the 1/4 just like the SI and XRS. They are all comparable in performance and what I would consider to be a "drivers" race with each other. The SS S/C and MS3 are in league with an SRT-4 and a WRX... which is to say out of our league plain and simple. 1 second difference in the 1/4 is not a "drivers" race.

XRS don't do low 15s/high 14's what are you smoking?
on our forum there are many cobalt ss s/c owners as well as saturn redline owners giving input on their cars and we don't bash them as many are here.
I call cars for what they are. Garbage will be garbage until they fix it and will give you no major problems or recalls on the engine are not handed out to their owners.
Don't talk smack until you have proof. Until then hush your mouth.
N/A > F/I

alright ricer fanboi, i was trying to cut you a slack, but since you talk so much sm*ck about cars such as, Cobalt SS s/céd being garbage and "driver's race" with your car that are simply out of your league, time to knock you into the next week and give you some real hard numbers here with the help of your own aid of magazine racing and actual dyno numbers.

13.9 timeslip of a Cobalt SS S/Céd with exhaust ons and 16 psi boost

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...slip-8495.html


cobalt SS S/Céd bone stock dyno of 211 whp and 180 wtq:

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=32554


motor trend testing both Neon SRT-4 and Cobalt SS at 14.4:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html

oh rlly?? seems like you know sooo much about the xrs?? maybe, xrs can learn a thing or two from you then?? you must be knowing about xrs for a long time?? you are a flippin noob, buddy and you don't even have more than a few dozen posts on this board so you don't know what the hell you are talking about...if you had looked at the timeslips, there are bonestock 15.1 - 15.3 timeslips for xrs..i even know someone who claims to have done 14.9 bone stock with xrs, but i have not seen his timeslip...so there you have it:

one example timeslip of bonestock XRS running 15.3@93mph:

http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum/s...92&postcount=8

coincidently he posted his video on streetfire:

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...34e1488c9d.htm

so at the end of the day, you are a silly tool and it is no secret...you tried to make your car something that is not in reality..i don't like the neon srt-4 nor the cobalt SS and would take the SI over any of the two because of better balance, but no one can deny the fact that those cars are in a different performance category stock for stock and mod for mod and even a retard can tell simply by looking at the dyno numbers versus the weight of the cars..

i suggest you stop running your ricer mouth on this board..you made yourself look completely silly by calling a car that is supposed to run neck and neck with SRT-4 and WRX "driver's race" with your Civic SI...yet, with a little money and simple more mods such as more boost and better bolt ons those cars can easily run low to mid 13s...

so if you want more stroking for your grandiose ego, you might want to look back to your honda fanbois at the honda site and stay off of this discussion..

someone posted here his 14.9 timeslip but his car was stripped...
i can even buy a ford focus...strip it and get low 15's lol
15.3 on an xrs is believable...but yeah okay buddy take the extra weight off and u can achieve that 14.9 stock.
Here you go 368whp @ 8.5 psi
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/showt...ight=AJP+turbo

BTW, riceboi = imports...guess what car u have? an import...guess what mods you have? greddy evo 2 exhaust...
guess who the ricer is? Look at yourself in the mirror and vocalize these 5 words
R-I-C-E-R

I'm compelled to link this video:
http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=52326

in order to prove that bench racing is pointless especially when the fanboyism factor

ROFL....a ricer is not someone who owns an import otherwise, people owning Supras, s2000, skylines would be ricers...

a ricer fanoby is someone who lives in denial and keeps thinking he can beat cars that are much faster..just like the people quotes in the rsx vs 350z video that a 350z can be taken by an rsx...

you are one of them silly fanboi. you made yourself look like an a** on this board by calling cobalt SS S/C"ed a "driver's race" with SI..with the hard numbers posted above proving it stands with WRXs, SRT-4 etc and that SI has no chance whatsoever mod for mod and stock for stock, your ricer claims got disproven badly..

living in denial and not giving credit where it's due is the typical definition of what a ricer fanboi always does...you are exactly that, buddy!!!....instead of having me show more of your ricer mentality, i suggest you keep your mouth shut on this topic...

if you really need some ego stroking and need to flatter yourself by praising how your car is a "driver's race" with STI, WRX and Evos, you better go back to your honda board cause you ain't gonna get that here...

oh and one more thing that the xrs that ran a 14.8 stripped trapped at 99 mph because of bad tires..with good tires, it could easily run 14.5 - 14.6 with that kind of trap speed and better launch. OK???

if you looked at other timeslips, there are atleast 3-4 people who ran 14.8 - 14.9 with intake/exhaust and full weight on the car...

like this one with intake/exhaust ran a 14.8@96

http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum/s...3&postcount=14

a bone stock xrs at 15.09

http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum/s...7&postcount=19

to make things even worse here mph's comparison of the si vs gti 0-60 and quarter mile times are listed.

i remember when engine size alone was really the only factor along with weight for what league you would run in . i think the xrs does pretty good for a car with just a 1.8 litter engine. is it not so that a lot of cars that xrs is compared to are equipped with engine displacements well over 2.0 litters.

Want me to make me pull timeslips of our cars? okay then
Same guy that ran 14.9 stock...installed CAI and got 14.7:

want mod for mod?
DC HEADER + Intake + exhaust
60' = 2.126
1/8 mile = 9.896
1/8 mile mph = 79.81
1/4 mile = 14.113
1/4 mile mph = 98.03

05 Redline:
Ride: 2005 ION Redline
Engine type and displacement: 4 cyl 2.0L
Induction: S/C
Major modifications: ZZP 2.8" pulley, ZZP Modular Hub, Boost Bypass Mod Tranny type: Manual
Race weight: 2850
Horsepower: 0.0
60 foot time: 2.500
1/8 Mile ET: 0.000
1/8 Mile MPH: 0.00
1/4 Mile ET: 14.600
1/4 Mile MPH: 101.50
Density Altitude: 6200ft

WRX
Car Type:
Subaru WRX
Ride:
2006 Subaru WRX
Engine type and displacement:
2.5L turbo
Induction:
Turbo
Major modifications:
Turboback Exhaust
Tranny type:
Manual
Race weight:
3400
Horsepower:
205.0
60 foot time:
1.900
1/8 Mile ET:
0.000
1/8 Mile MPH:
0.00
1/4 Mile ET:
14.100
1/4 Mile MPH:
95.00
Density Altitude:
3500ft
Track Name:
Race City

06 Cobalt SS S/C
Ride:
06 Cobalt SS/SC
Engine type and displacement:
2.0L Supercharged
Induction:
S/C
Major modifications:
Intake, Downpipe, Pulley, Injectors, Tune, Engine Mount, Tranny Mounts Tranny type:
Manual
Race weight:
2968
Horsepower:
300.0
60 foot time:
2.130
1/8 Mile ET:
0.000
1/8 Mile MPH:
0.00
1/4 Mile ET:
14.180
1/4 Mile MPH:
101.20
Track Name:
Englishtown, NJ

Have a good day.

and forgot one
Ride:
2006 FG Si
Engine type and displacement:
2.0L I4
Induction:
Turbo
Major modifications:
Injen Intake, Greddy Evo2 Exhaust, Custom Turbo system w/ Greddy t3 Tranny type:
Manual
Race weight:
2750
Horsepower:
290.0
60 foot time:
0.000
1/8 Mile ET:
0.000
1/8 Mile MPH:
0.00
1/4 Mile ET:
13.000
1/4 Mile MPH:
114.00

way to go ricer buddy...you are hell bent on embarassing yourself even more with more bench racing...lol

i can bet everyone on this board is laughin their a** of at your desperate fanboish attempts to redeem yourself with silly arguments that an SI can hang or beat WRX etc...

you are a complete tool and it is funny how you compared your SI timeslips with the best possible numbers on ideal runs with the worst possible timeslips of WRX and Cobalt SS S/C'ed...

timeslips only give an idea of where the car stands and what kind of potential it has, but they can never be used for comparisons since they are extremely dependent on altitude, temperature, how many runs (especially in S/C'ed cars that lose power when the heat up), tires used and track conditions...

i don't give a rat's a** about how these timeslips stack up against each other since it is irrelevant because they were run in different conditions..

simply because these cars for similar price put out way more power and torque at the same weight than the SI, run them side by side even a retard monkey can tell that unless something is busted in WRX or Cobalt SS, they will never get beaten by an SI....

having said that, a WRX with a proper launch and good driver will run 14.1 - 14.3 any day of the week and so will Cobalt SS S/C'ed and with some minor modifications with only a small amount of money they can become mid-13s to high 13 cars..

hell you want to keep embarassing yourself ricer fanboi..go right ahead...


i will leave with this videos that i found quite interesting:

06 civic si vs Ion Redline (Cobalt SS twin):

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...b6017d94d1.htm

You're comparing mostly stock cars against an SI with a custom turbo setup...

Of course the si would win.... you're defeating your own argument. If you put a custom setup on any car versus a stock within your own class you ARE going to win..

Geez stop being such a fanboy already

uhh no those are their best times for every single one of them.
If i were to put worst vs worst ic ould put up si's doing 15.9-16.0 and cobalts getting high 15's by misshifting, or whatever reason.
I put up their best time out of the 5 races they did and that's what came up.
I never said an Si can outhandle or keep up w/a WRX. But it can with a SS S/C.
Never said An Si can compete with an MS3 but instead I said MS3 is garbage for their rate failure and because they are truly garbage.
Maybe reading and comprehension isn't one of your best skills.
Guys in our forums putting their timeslips from worst to best.
If you don't know **** about the chevy cobalts then hush up.
They can make 200whp and 200 tq but with a sucky transmission they're done.
Same with the GTi...GTI's have the DBW and a turbo. what else could u want out of a small car. awesome transmission plus the help of force induction...

Now keeping on the cobalt subject, add an upgraded pulley for 60 bucks to the cobalts and they're making 230-240whp. Swap the injectors, get an exhaust, CAI, and they can easily manage 260-270whp. Tune it up right and they can do 280-300 whp on stage 2.
The WRX timeslip doing 14.1 the guy only had a turboback exhaust. upgrade the injectors and a pulley and they can easily go to really low 13's as I've seen with my own eyes.
I still don't know why you don't understand facts when i listed the modifications each car had.
Gotta take into consideration driver's error, reaction time, elevation above sea level, etc.
Things you cannot take into consideration are videos put up on youtube or streetfire where most morons say one thing yet their car shows otherwise...why? to make themselves look good and their cars as well.
Again grow up and look at yourself in the mirror while reminding yourself of your evo2 exhaust fartcan and vocalize these 5 words...
R-I-C-E-R.
Geez you wanted timslips and I gave them to you yet you ignore those facts and post useless videos that shows a redline on a stage2 s/c against a stock si. I guess we should congratulate you for finding such "stock for stock" video for fairness, huh?
I don't even know why I'm arguing with a moron who thinks a stage2 redline can be compared with a stock si.